Defense attorney: Tell us about the first occasion?

Defense attorney: A private house?

Lillian Bailey : Yes. The very first person to appear was my mother.

Defense attorney: Were you certain it was your mother?

Lillian Bailey : Good gracious!

Judge : It is a simple question.

Lillian Bailey : Yes, definitely, quite certain.

Defense attorney: By sight and voice?

Lillian Bailey : Yes. She was a very tall woman, five feet eleven. She was very slim, and she had golden hair which she insisted upon my looking at. She took the shroud off her head, bent her head down to me and insisted that I took notice of her golden hair which was really her chief beauty. I think she was very proud of it and she wanted me to notice it. It was a particularly outstanding materialisation.

Defense attorney: Any other case?

Lillian Bailey : Immediately following that my grandmother came, my father’s mother, a totally different personality; quite short and rather excitable, just as she was. The amazing part of that, I think, was that she had a very long nose which the family always joked about, and she pointed to her nose and said, “I have stilt got this long nose”, which was very highly evidential and satisfied me, of course, that she was just the same as she was when I last knew her on earth.

Defense attorney: Only give us the personal identifications?

Lillian Bailey : I have not many other cases of personal identification.

Defense attorney: Of yourself?

Lillian Bailey : They have not been so outstanding as many people, because I have not known them in the same degree.

Defense attorney: Did you sit for a special purpose on the 1 5th March, 1944?

Lillian Bailey : Yes, I did.

Defense attorney: Perhaps my friend would allow me to give the names here. Did you sit with a Miss Lawrence?

Lillian Bailey : Yes.

Defense attorney: A Mr. Hawker?

Lillian Bailey : Yes.

Defense attorney: A Nurse Davies; the Rev. Maurice Elliot; Mr. Hannen Swaffer; Mr. Mclndoe; a Mr. Grey; and was there a photographer present?

Lillian Bailey : Yes.

Judge : What date was this?

Defense attorney: The 15th March of this year.

Judge : Where was this?

Lillian Bailey : It took place at Marylebone House; I think it is 42 Russell Square.

Defense attorney: Whose house is it?

Lillian Bailey : It is the Association of Spiritualists, the Maryle-bone Association.

Defense attorney: At that sitting did you observe certain phenomena?

Lillian Bailey : Yes.

Defense attorney: In regard to the phenomena only, tell us what the guide said.

Lillian Bailey : He said in a rather humorous way, “We have heard about the sheet, of the ectoplasm,” and he showed us immediately a whole lot of ectoplasm, and he said, “You have heard a lot of an elusive sheet recently”. Those were, I think, his very words.

Judge : Do you mean there was a reference to this case?

Lillian Bailey : Well, I think perhaps it was done, so anyhow

Defense attorney: Wait a minute please, Mrs. Bailey.

Judge : I am very reluctant to shut out anything, as you know, Mr. Loseby, if it .is going to assist the jury at all.

Defense attorney: My Lord, I had a proof before me, and I could not see on that proof any harmful words. I thought it was admissible merely by reason of explanatory matter of what followed, being phenomena observed, however produced. That was what I thought.

Judge : Yes.

Defense attorney: My Lord, no more is said than that. Then follows an experiment.

Judge : All right, Mr. Loseby. I think I must take the responsibility
of ruling that, while I have admitted these matters before this case arose,
I do not think it would be right to admit anything which happened after
this case arose. I do not know what date it was before the magistrates.

Defense attorney: My Lord, I should like, rather anxiously, to explain the nature of the evidence I was going to give.

Judge : No.

Defense attorney: Because I have a whole body of witnesses.

Judge : That I gather, but I think any manifestation after the date
of this prosecution would be so under a cloud as not to be helpful to this
court at all, and I do not think I ought to admit it.