Defense attorney: Have you any materializations of a particular interest to yourself?

John Gerrard: My two boys and my daughter.

Defense attorney: How long ago would that be?

John Gerrard: Well, I suppose they have come these last twelve or fourteen years, two and three and four times a year.

Judge: When was your last sitting? Was it last year, 1943?

John Gerrard: No, it would be probably about twelve months last October, or about that time.

Defense attorney: About eighteen months ago. Where was it?

John Gerrard: In my own house.

Defense attorney: With Mrs. Duncan?

John Gerrard: Yes.

Defense attorney: Let us deal with your two sons first of all. Take them one at a time.

John Gerrard: Yes.

Defense attorney: How old was this son who came through?

John Gerrard: The one who passed into the spirit world at nine would be about thirty, my youngest boy.

Defense attorney: I don’t want to deal with him because you would not be able to identify him then by sight?

John Gerrard: Oh, couldn’t I? I beg your pardon. I am his father, and his mother was there.

Defense attorney: Tell us about it?

John Gerrard: He told me to help his mother with certain things in the house.

Judge: Was that the son who died at nine?

John Gerrard: Yes.

Defense attorney: How do you know it was your son? That is all I want for the moment.

John Gerrard: The same eyes, the same nose, the same hair and the same ears as in his photograph.

Defense attorney: And the voice?

John Gerrard: And the voice; undoubtedly the voice.

Judge: You recognized him? Was he a lad of nine as he appeared to you?

John Gerrard: In the first instance. He has grown.

Defense attorney: The first time you saw him? He died when he was nine years old; did he then appear to you to be the same age?

John Gerrard: The same age.

Defense attorney: Just as he was?

John Gerrard: Just as he was.

Defense attorney: He died how many years ago?

John Gerrard: Eighteen. I was abroad at the time.

Judge: The end of the last War.

Defense attorney: Did he appear to you as he was just before he died?

John Gerrard: Yes.

Defense attorney: Have you any doubt about it at all?

John Gerrard: None whatever.

Defense attorney: The other boy you told us of, how old was he?

John Gerrard: Nineteen when he crossed the border.

Defense attorney: That particular boy when he came through, how did you know that he was your son?

John Gerrard: By the same characteristics.

Judge: You recognized him?

John Gerrard: Yes.

Defense attorney: Have you any doubt about it?

John Gerrard: Not the slightest.

Defense attorney: Anybody else besides your two boys?

John Gerrard: My sister-in-law.

Defense attorney: Any other child of yours?

John Gerrard: A daughter came.

Defense attorney: You have not told us about her. How old was she when she died?

John Gerrard: At O What appearance had she got when she came through?

John Gerrard: The first time she came, Jack brought her in his hands right out under the light and said, “Mother, she was very tiny when she came to me, but I am going to rear her until you come to meet her”. Those are the exact words, as far as my memory serves me.

Judge: Which of the boys?

John Gerrard: The eldest.

Defense attorney: Have you seen the child again?

John Gerrard: Yes.

Defense attorney: Is she altering, growing?

John Gerrard: As tall as her mother.

Defense attorney: How did she come the last time you saw her? With Jack or without Jack ?

John Gerrard: Jack brought her, and she put out her two hands to her mother.

Defense attorney: When he brought her, was she in his arms or able to walk?

John Gerrard: Just walk; she was tall enough to pick up her mother in two hands like that, and turn her face, face to face, and said, “What a likeness!”

Defense attorney: Was there a striking likeness?

John Gerrard: There was a striking likeness.