Defense attorney: What did the gentleman’s voice say?

Kathleen McNeill: He asked if there was a Mrs. McNeill in the sitting; and so, of course, I said I was Mrs. McNeill. He said there was someone coming for me, and he gave the name of Helen. He said it was a sister; he said that she was too weak to manifest but he came with a message from her. He said that her body was still in a room in the city and had not yet been disposed of, and therefore she was too weak to manifest, but he spoke for her. She had only died a few hours before.

Defense attorney: What did you see?

Kathleen McNeill: The spirit of Albert came forward and helped the form of my sister forward. I saw two forms standing together.

Defense attorney: Of Albert and your sister?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Defense attorney: How near were you to your sister?

Kathleen McNeill: Not very near.

Defense attorney: Put it in feet?

Kathleen McNeill: Probably further than this table.

Defense attorney: Would it be three feet?

Kathleen McNeill: More than three feet, probably six feet.

Defense attorney: What sort of light was there?

Kathleen McNeill: It was a dim light.

Defense attorney: Could you see the features?

Kathleen McNeill: No, Albert explained that she was too weak to manifest very clearly.

Defense attorney: Did she say anything?

Kathleen McNeill: No, she did not speak; the message came through the spirit of Albert.

Defense attorney: Did you have another materialization?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Defense attorney: Where was that?

Kathleen McNeill: I went to a second one years later.

Judge: Where was that?

Kathleen McNeill: That was at Glasgow.

Defense attorney: Was the first one at Glasgow too?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, that was at Glasgow too.

Defense Attorney 2: Who came to you then?

Kathleen McNeill: My father.

Defense attorney: How near were you to the form that appeared?

Judge: Was this Mrs. Duncan?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, Mrs. Duncan was the medium.

Defense attorney: Are you sure it was your father?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, I am sure it was my father.

Defense Attorney 2: How near were you to the figure when it came out?

Kathleen McNeill: I was further away then, because I was in the second row; there were two rows of sitters, and I was further back.

Defense attorney: Did the form come straight out of the cabinet?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Defense attorney: How many feet out of the cabinet?

Kathleen McNeill: I think probably about six feet.

Defense attorney: How did you know it was your father; was there anything particular about his face?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, I know it was my father because in life he had lost an eye, and he appeared to me as he was in life.

Defense attorney: Did you see that?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Judge: Did you speak to him?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Defense attorney: What did he say to you?

Kathleen McNeill: He said he was very pleased with what I had done.

Defense Attorney 2: What had you done which you think he referred to?

Kathleen McNeill: I think he referred to the fact that I had gone to stay with my mother.

Defense attorney: There was a further materialization to you, was there not?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Defense attorney: What was that?

Kathleen McNeill: The form of a sister.

Judge: Was that all he said?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, he spoke with difficulty; he might have said a few words of love, but nothing of an evidential character.

Defense Attorney 2: What was the last materialization?

Kathleen McNeill: There was another materialization for somebody else, not for me at all; but I recognized the lady.

Defense attorney: Who was it?

Kathleen McNeill: It was a Mrs. Stevens; I recognized her. She walked right into the room. She came over by the door.

Defense attorney: Did she speak?

Kathleen McNeill: Not to me, but to her daughter.

Defense attorney: Did you recognize the daughter?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, I recognized her hair very distinctly, because she had just had it waved, and I had seen her on her death bed. She appeared again as she had been in life.

Defense attorney: Have any other relatives of yours appeared to you?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes. A sister appeared, carrying a baby. She gave her name as my sister, which was Annie, and I believed it to be my sister.

Defense attorney: Was this at the second meeting?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes. Cross-examined by the prosecuting attorney.

Defense attorney: Did you pay to go to these meetings?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, a few shillings.

Defense attorney: How long have you been interested in this sort of thing?

Kathleen McNeill: This took place in 1931.

Defense attorney: Had you, before 1931, been interested in Spiritualism?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, in other branches.

Defense attorney: Was your husband interested in it?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Defense attorney: Were you interested before your husband, or the other way round, or together?

Kathleen McNeill: No, I was interested in it first.

Defense attorney: Did you persuade him?

Kathleen McNeill: No, nobody could.

Defense attorney: But he did become interested, did he?

Kathleen McNeill: He is quite interested.

Defense attorney: How long had your sister been dead in 1 93 1 ?

Kathleen McNeill: She had only been dead a few hours; it was not known in the papers. Nobody knew she was dead.

Defense attorney: Had she been ill for some time before?

Kathleen McNeill: No, nobody expected her to die; she had an operation.

Defense attorney: Was it a serious operation?

Kathleen McNeill: It must have been.

Defense attorney: Had your father been dead some time when you were in Glasgow?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes, he must have been dead for perhaps a year.

Defense attorney: What was his occupation in life?

Kathleen McNeill: He was interested in many th’ngs; I really believe he was an upholsterer by trade.

Defense attorney: Did you see the backs of any of these mediums?

Kathleen McNeill: I saw the back of the lady who came out to see her daughter.

Defense attorney: What did it look like?

Kathleen McNeill: It just looked like her form.

Defense attorney: White?

Kathleen McNeill: Whitish, yes.

Defense attorney: Did you see the back of any of the others?

Kathleen McNeill: No; my father retired from me backwards, facing me.

Defense attorney: Towards the cabinet?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes.

Defense attorney: Did you see the curtains move?

Kathleen McNeill: No, I did not see the curtains; I was looking at my father.

Defense attorney: Was Mrs. Stevens a Scottish lady?

Kathleen McNeill: Yes. I knew her.

Defense attorney: Where did she live?

Kathleen McNeill: In Glasgow.

Defense attorney: What do you say Albert’s voice was like?

Kathleen McNeill: I thought it was a very cultured voice; quite unlike a Scottish voice.

Defense attorney: That is rather hard on your own land, is it not?

Kathleen McNeill: I mean it was not a broad Scotch accent.

Judge: Inverness?

Kathleen McNeill: No; it was really a very cultured voice, a beautiful speaker.
Prosecuting Attorney: Can you help me any more?

Kathleen McNeill: It might have been Australian.

Defense attorney: That struck you, did it?

Kathleen McNeill: I am not very sure.

Defense attorney: It certainly wasn’t Cockney, was it?

Kathleen McNeill: No, it wasn’t Cockney.