Defense Attorney: Tell my Lord and the members of the jury what happened.

Jane Rust: That was on the 17th.

Defense Attorney: Yes, I am talking about the 17th.

Jane Rust: On the 17th the spirit guide announced that there was a gentleman there, and he thought it was for me, an elderly gentleman, and he gave the description. I said, “Is it you, Daddy?” meaning my husband, and he said, “Yes”. I invited him out and said, “Come out, dear”, and he came out.

Defense Attorney: How far out of the cabinet did he come?

Jane Rust: He came on the outside of the curtain. I immediately got up from my seat and went right up to him. I said, “Kiss me. dear”.

Defense Attorney: Did you recognize anybody?

Jane Rust: Of course I recognized him.

Defense Attorney: Do not say, “Of course”. I want you to tell us.

Jane Rust: I did, sir.

Defense Attorney: Who was it?

Jane Rust: My husband.

Defense Attorney: Had you any doubt about it being your husband?

Jane Rust: No doubt whatsoever.

Defense Attorney: How close up to him were you?

Jane Rust: As close as I am to this.

Defense Attorney: Did he speak to you?

Jane Rust: He spoke to me.

Defense Attorney: Did you recognize his voice?

Jane Rust: I did.

Defense Attorney: Were you certain of his voice?

Jane Rust: I was perfectly certain.

Defense Attorney: Did he say anything to you in particular that struck you as of importance?

Jane Rust: Just spoke about the family. He said that he was always with me, and he would be on the other side waiting for me; he would never leave me until I joined him.

Defense Attorney: The only thing that matters for the purposes of this case is: Are you absolutely certain that it was your husband?

Jane Rust: I have never been more certain of anything in my life before.

Judge: For how long has he been dead?

Jane Rust: Five years, my Lord.

Defense Attorney: Had he altered in appearance at all?

Jane Rust: No, sir, he had not altered ‘just a wee bit thinner, perhaps, than he was in health, but my husband was very ill for three years before he went.

Defense Attorney: When your husband showed himself to you, was he as he was— I do not know the answer to this—before, or shortly before, he died?

Jane Rust: No, he was the same as he was probably a year or two before he died.

Defense Attorney: Were you allowed to touch him?

Jane Rust: 1 asked him to kiss me.

Defense Attorney: Did he kiss you?

Jane Rust: He said, “Put your hand in mine, dear”, so I gave him my right hand. He took hold of it with his right and clasped my hand very tightly.

Judge: It was flesh and blood, was it?

Jane Rust: It was very cold, my Lord, but it was his hand.

Defense Attorney: You could hold it, could you?

Jane Rust: I held it firmly. I felt the knuckles. He suffered with rheumatism, my Lord, and I felt the nobbly knuckles.

Defense Attorney: We must face up to things, Nurse Rust. Are you quite sure that it was not Mrs. Duncan?

Jane Rust: Oh, perfectly certain, perfectly sure. My husband is not quite so big; he is not such a stout man.

Defense Attorney: You said you asked your husband to kiss you.

Jane Rust: I did, sir.

Defense Attorney: Did he kiss you?

Jane Rust: He did, sir, right on the mouth.

Defense Attorney: There was another experience you had, was there not? Did anybody else come through to you?

Jane Rust: I said to him, “Have you seen mother lately?”

and he said, “Yes, my dear; she is just behind me”.

Judge: Just behind you or him?

Jane Rust: Just behind him, my Lord; so I went and sat down in my seat again, thinking it would be some time before she came along, and then Albert or the guide.

Defense Attorney: Tell us if anything happened.

Jane Rust: The guide said there was a lady for me, and I called out, “Is it you, mother?” and she said, “Yes”. I said, “Come along, dear; do let me see you”, and so she came out of the cabinet.

Defense Attorney: How far did she come out?

Jane Rust: To the same place where my husband stood outside the cabinet, and not hi the center of the cabinet, through the doorway; she came out and stood on the side of the cabinet. I wanted to be close to her, because I had never been so close before; I wanted to get right in contact. You must understand that I was a seeker; I wanted truth, and nothing else. I said, “Mother, you are not going back without kissing me, are you, this time?”. She said, “Come here, my child”; she beckoned me to her side. She made me stand, and I was standing facing her. She turned me to the sitters and patted my shoulder and said, “My loving daughter” introduced me, sort of thing.

Defense Attorney: Did you touch her?

Jane Rust: I did. I kissed her.

Defense Attorney: Did you touch her hand?

Jane Rust: No, I kissed her.

Defense Attorney: Did your mother kiss you?

Jane Rust: My mother kissed me. She touched me by turning me round and patting my shoulder.

Judge: Then did you kiss her?

Jane Rust: I kissed her.

Defense Attorney: Did she put her arms on you, or did you put your arms on her?

Jane Rust: She put her arm on my around my shoulders.

Defense Attorney: Could you feel it?

Jane Rust: I could, my Lord.

Defense Attorney: What sized woman was your mother?

Jane Rust: My mother, much about my size, just a little thinner, but my height.

Defense Attorney: Tell me a little about her voice. What was her voice like?

Jane Rust: It was her natural voice.

Defense Attorney: You mean it was your mother’s voice?

Jane Rust: Absolutely.

Defense Attorney: Had you any doubt of any kind about it?

Jane Rust: Not after that seance, because there was something that had never been described to me at any meeting before, and I was never able to quite see that little something before, and that was my purpose in getting quite close to her.

Defense Attorney: What was it?

Jane Rust: My mother had a mole in the hollow of her chin and another over the left eyebrow, and without that it would not be my mother, and she had it there, and I was satisfied.

Defense Attorney: You saw it?

Jane Rust: I saw it.

Defense Attorney: On that occasion?

Jane Rust: I saw it absolutely.

Defense Attorney: Are you absolutely certain that you have not made a mistake, and that it was Mrs. Duncan?

Jane Rust: Absolutely, sir. My mother is a little woman, as I said, a little thinner than myself.

Judge: For how long has she been dead?

Jane Rust: Some years, my Lord.

Defense Attorney: Do you remember the year she died?

Jane Rust: About twenty years ago.

Defense Attorney: Had she altered?

Jane Rust: No, she had not altered very much.

Defense Attorney: You had a still further experience, had you not?

Jane Rust: Yes. I went -and sat down again and, after several spirit forms came through. [It was my aunt.]

Defense Attorney: How close to you did she get?

Jane Rust: I got as close to her as I got to my mother and my husband. I made up my mind that I would get close to them. I had never before got up from my seat.

Defense Attorney: Before we come to any recognition or otherwise, did this person, whoever it was, or whatever it was, speak to you?

Jane Rust: She spoke to me, yes.

Defense Attorney: Tell us exactly what she said, as near as you can, giving us the tone of voice that she said it in.

Jane Rust: In Spanish or in English?

Defense Attorney: How she spoke it in any language.

Jane Rust: When I said

Defense Attorney: Please answer my question if you can. I want you to give my Lord and the jury the sounds that you heard as you heard them. If she spoke in English, give it in English; if she spoke in Spanish, give it in Spanish.

Jane Rust: She said to me (THE WITNESS spoke in Spanish}. I said

Defense Attorney: I did not ask you what you said.

Judge: Well, what did you say?

Jane Rust: I said (THE WITNESS spoke in Spanish). She said (THE WITNESS spoke in Spanish).

Defense Attorney: Now tell us what was the substance of the conversation.

Jane Rust: She said she was very, very pleased to see me. She said she wanted to come before but they did not understand her, and I said “Well, it’s very natural that they should not understand you”.

Defense Attorney: You understand Spanish, I believe?

Jane Rust: Yes, sir.

Defense Attorney: Was the Spanish that she spoke good Spanish?

Jane Rust: It was Gibraltarian Spanish. It was not the Spanish, possibly, that they speak in Spain itself, but the Gibraltarian Spanish.

Defense Attorney: You recognize Gibraltarian Spanish, do you?

Jane Rust: Yes.

Defense Attorney: It is a dialect of Spanish, I presume?

Jane Rust: Yes.

Defense Attorney: Did you recognize the figure that spoke to you?

Jane Rust: Yes, absolutely, sir.

Defense Attorney: Who was it?

Jane Rust: She was my aunt, my mother’s sister, and I recognized her because she is a replica of my own mother; they were always taken for twins, but they were not twins.

Defense Attorney: I understood you to say that your mother had marks on her face.

Jane Rust: Yes, but my aunt had not.

Defense Attorney: Did you look for them?

Jane Rust: No, because I knew she had not any.

Defense Attorney: When this figure appeared, did you look at her face?

Jane Rust: Yes, I looked at her face, of course.

Judge: That is how you recognized her, I suppose?

Jane Rust: Yes, to satisfy myself that she was my aunt.

Defense Attorney: Had this figure, when you looked at it, got any marks on its face your aunt?

Jane Rust: No. My mother and she were very much alike, but, of course, they did not have the little “trademark”, we will say.

Defense Attorney: And that was the difference between them in life, was it?

Jane Rust: That was the difference between them in life. They were much about the same stature.

Defense Attorney: How did you happen to know Gibraltarian Spanish?

Jane Rust: Because I was born there, and I lived there for some time. My mother was that.

Defense Attorney: I presume the number of people who speak Gibraltarian Spanish with fluency would be fairly few, would they not?

Jane Rust: I don’t know. I don’t quite understand that.

Defense Attorney: Mrs. Rust, what dialect word did you use just now in Spanish?

Jane Rust: What dialect words?

Defense Attorney: What dialect word did you use?

Jane Rust: I have just said it. Do you wish me to repeat it?

Defense Attorney: No, I want to know what dialect word you used.

Jane Rust: “Mi alma” “My dear”.

Defense Attorney: Is that dialect?

Jane Rust: Well, it is an endearment.

Defense Attorney: Is it not a term of endearment throughout Spain?

Jane Rust: Throughout Spain, probably, but they use it in Gibraltar as well.