Defense attorney: What materializations have appeared for you personally, that you personally know?

Frank Spencer: The first that materialized was my brother, who was killed on a motor-cycle. He materialized, came through and spoke to me. I asked him if he could come a little clearer out of the cabinet so that I could see his features more clearly. He came further out. I saw his face, the small moustache he wore. I asked him a question: “What was your Christian name?” He said, “Why, Merlin”. I said, “Well, how did it happen?” He was killed on the cycle at five in the morning. He said, “I was cycling towards the lane end, and the bike got into a pothole and I crashed. I picked myself up, and somebody said a little later, ‘It’s no use bothering with him; he is dead’ “.

Defense attorney: Was that correct?

Frank Spencer: Yes, that was correct.

Defense attorney: Are you quite sure it was your brother?

Frank Spencer: Definitely. I asked him the question.

Defense attorney: What about his voice?

Frank Spencer: Yes, the voice of my brother.

Defense attorney: The appearance?

Frank Spencer: He was 5 ft. 10. He was much taller than myself.

Defense attorney: How far from him were you?

Frank Spencer: About three feet.

Defense attorney: What light?

Frank Spencer: Fairly good red light.

Defense attorney: You have told us about your brother. Someone was announced as your daughter?

Frank Spencer: My brother said, “Vera is coming after me”.

Defense attorney: As far as you know, did Mrs. Duncan know you had a daughter called Vera?

Frank Spencer: I had never met Mrs. Duncan in my life before. This was the first seance I had been to. Vera came through just as she was, fourteen years of age. I got close and reached over, and she came closer and reached over and said, “This is Vera, Daddy”. My wife was with me as my child passed. She had said, “They are coming for me. They are bringing the flowers. Take me with you”. My wife asked the question, “Whom did you see when you were passing out of the body?” She said, “The first to meet me was little Primrose”. That was a little child who was killed three weeks before. They went to the same school.

Defense attorney: You are quite sure that it was your daughter?

Frank Spencer: Definitely.

Defense attorney: Was the voice the voice of your daughter?

Frank Spencer: The voice of my daughter.

Defense attorney: How many times in all have you seen your daughter?

Frank Spencer: Four times

Defense attorney: Have you ever been fortunate enough to touch her?

Frank Spencer: I have held her hand and kissed her lips.

Defense attorney: Is she a slim girl or stout?

Frank Spencer: Just nicely formed; she was just medium.

Defense attorney: Someone came through who you thought might be your father, didn’t you?

Frank Spencer: Definitely, yes.

Defense attorney: Did he come through?

Frank Spencer: My father had one leg. My father came through with one leg. He spoke to me just a few words. He said, “Wait a minute, lad”. He went back into the cabinet and came out and said, “See, I have two legs now”.

Defense attorney: You mean he had built up before?

Frank Spencer: He had built it perfectly.

Defense attorney: Did Mrs. Duncan know, as far as you know, that your father only had one leg?

Frank Spencer: Definitely not. Mrs. Duncan didn’t know me at all.

Judge: Was it on the first occasion?

Frank Spencer: I had three materializations on the first occasion.

Defense attorney: What was the voice like?

Frank Spencer: The voice was the voice of my father, and I could see his beard as perfect as I can see you.

Defense attorney: Was it a deep voice?

Frank Spencer: Fairly modulated, but he spoke with a Cheshire accent. He said, “How art thou, lad?”

Defense attorney: As they say in Cheshire, do they?

Frank Spencer: Yes.

Defense attorney: Could Mrs. Duncan have imitated that voice, as far as you know?

Frank Spencer: It was not Mrs. Duncan. She is broad Scotch, and it was a man’s voice.

Defense attorney: Could she have imitated a man’s voice?

Frank Spencer: I don’t think so.

Defense attorney: You know the Cheshire dialect?

Frank Spencer: Yes, he said, “Carry on. Don’t stop now; carry on”.

Defense attorney: Has your father been through more than once?

Frank Spencer: No, only once. My daughter has been through four times. Another brother came.

Judge: At this first seance?

Frank Spencer: No, another seance.

Defense attorney: Where was the first seance held?

Frank Spencer: In a solicitor’s house, a solicitor named Mr. Izard Eaton, of Blackpool.

Defense attorney: Just tell us about the other brother?

Frank Spencer: My other brother was badly wounded in the last War in the lower portion of the body. He operated on himself.

Defense attorney: We want to know if you recognized him?

Frank Spencer: Yes. He had tubes in his inside, and told me all about it.

Defense attorney: Could you check that up?

Frank Spencer: I checked that up, because he came back from the War. I had been with him since he came back from the War.

Defense attorney: As far as you know, did Mrs. Duncan know that?

Frank Spencer: Nothing whatever about my brother.

Defense attorney: Why do you say it was your brother?

Frank Spencer: Because he spoke to me of an incident that happened in our lives. He quoted an incident when he came on leave and we had a party at my eldest sister’s before he went back again. He said, “Do you remember me playing the old melodeon, and we had a good time?” He played the melodeon

Defense attorney: What about his appearance?

Frank Spencer: His appearance to me was just as it was when I saw him last.

Defense attorney: What was his voice?

Frank Spencer: The voice of my brother.

Defense attorney: What dialect does he speak in?

Frank Spencer: Cheshire.

Defense attorney: Any other relation?

Frank Spencer: My grandmother once came through. My grandmother came to me and touched me on the shoulder and said, “Hello, lad, isn’t it grand to come back like this?” I lived with my grand- mother for a long time. I definitely recognized her.

Defense attorney: What dialect did she speak?

Frank Spencer: Cheshire too.

Defense attorney: Anybody else you identified?

Frank Spencer: I identified a girl that was brought by Albert to come through that I did not know had passed out of the body. He said, “A friend of yours wants your aid”, I called to the friend to come forward and, as she came out of the cabinet, she said, “I am Lily”. I told Lily I could not see the features very clearly, and she came a little nearer. I said, “Lily Cunningham, I did not know you had passed”.

Defense attorney: Did you know anyone called Lily Cunningham?

Frank Spencer: Yes,

Defense attorney: As far as you know, does Mrs. Duncan even know Lily Cunningham?

Frank Spencer: Not at all.

Defense attorney: Why do you say it was Lily Cunningham?

Frank Spencer: Because I recognized the girl, because I lived in the same street as her. She had been in my home so many times with my daughters.

Defense attorney: How did you recognize her?

Frank Spencer: By her features, by her voice and by her mannerisms. She had a habit of touching her mouth.

Defense attorney: She touched her mouth?

Frank Spencer: Yes, she had had sleeping sickness. Yes, she touched her mouth.

Defense attorney: You have had more than the usual number of materializations, haven’t you? Are you very experienced?

Frank Spencer: Well, I have had evidence otherwise than through materializations.

Defense attorney: I follow. You seem to have had a good many.